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Doug, at the end of your post you share Aristotle's view of a polis that I can read as in a polis there is strife because families will disagree. When we have a conversation we have a way to share and examine our disagreements. Susan Sontag, in a letter to the New Yorker after 9/11, writes: "Politics, the politics of a democracy - which entails disagreement, which promotes candor ...."

Vassar, do you think the natural law of generations is in the same category as the laws of thermodynamics? I think these are different, however, I want to understand your points.

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Vassar, I skimmed your long post on the natural law of generations, which provides a good thread for a conversation on what Doug asked: "Can we develop a discussion of governance for climate change?"

I have been reading more women and more younger women on issues of politics, history, and social studies. And, like you, I am heartened by the inquiries of the young folk. I am taking it as a small task to relay some of the questions I read to my elected representatives.

Doug, in his Gardenworld book, has a single line that highlights what was lost from our societies when science and rationality replaced religion, established traditiions, and magical narratives as authoritative sources of values and morals. This is a topic that Wendy Brown in a recent book, Nihilistic Times, examines in some depth. We humans are struggling to build and re-build humane societies and communities. In my opinion we need all the help we can provide each other.

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That was nice of you note, Douglass. Reshaped a lot of my habits, trying to work my way back

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one of your best themes and worth continuing. can we have a frank conversation that is open-ended?

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lets try. Any new development in governance will be built on the past. But as we can see by the etymology of key words like capital, it is a lose constraint, bendable by new thinking.

I cant see yet how this works as a conversation. Vassar can you put your thoughts here under Bill

s and mine? Same for others who want to join.

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Well-noted about the source of political writing.

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vassar, I just took a look at your own Substack and your health. we are so vulnerable.

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well I tried to reply to you, but ended up posting just another comment. i think there is a chat function for substacks that might be a better vehicle?

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Until the election is over, I'll be attched to that theme, and the huckstering; i.e, rank dishonesty. It's going to be all politics and very little facts, or so it seems. I had always intended to put my VassarBushmills.com site into book form, discussing the moral and philosophical foundations of the 1770s, and how they defined the average citizen in 1770s. MyFriend, David Poff, (now blind) did a helluva job with Thomas Paine's introducing the notion of common sense, and Betraying a nation, pts 1 thru 3, who introduced the notions of Liberty to the common herd, who then immediately turned and demanded action from the Continental Congress in Phila, who in turn asked Thos Jefferson to draw up a "declaration". Cause and effect. I still hold to those base principles, and at VassarBushmills.com had tried to deliver, in 2000-3000 words each, the sort of "liberty" gluethat seemed to attach them

I plan to take that up again after the election, if I'm still around. I see Larry Schweikart and Dave Poff's fingerprints forming how all that might turn out,

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